Step onto the historic streets of Charleston, South Carolina, a city that holds the beating heart of “Our American Stories.” From the echoes of the American Revolution to the complex tapestry of today, Charleston’s rich history unfolds with every cobblestone and column. Join us as local expert Tommy Due, whose highly praised Charleston walking tours are recommended by the Wall Street Journal and Tripadvisor, invites you on an unforgettable journey through this iconic Southern city’s past and present.
This vibrant American city, pivotal in events like the Civil War and the first shots at Fort Sumter, faced immense challenges but preserved an incredible architectural and cultural legacy. Tommy Due delves into Charleston’s story, revealing how monumental wealth was built on forced labor and the enduring impact of slavery, exploring the city’s recovery from devastation to become a unique treasure. Discover how Charleston’s past shapes its present, offering vital insights into the deeper currents of American history and identity.
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Speaker 1: And we continue with our American stories. Tommy Due’s walking tour of Charleston, South Carolina, has been praised and recommended by the likes of the Wall Street Journal and Tripadvisor. Tommy is here to share this story of Charleston, from the American Revolution to today. Here’s Tommy Due.
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Speaker 2: The South collapsed in 1865 and was left for dead. Charleston paid a terrible price for her role in the war. Secession began in Charleston. The first secession document was signed in downtown Charleston, December 20th, 1860. And then the first shots are fired here at Fort Sumter. So the political start to the war was in Charleston, the military start. And we were a philosophical target. The Federal government bombed Charleston for 508 consecutive days. It’s the second longest artillery siege in modern warfare, after Leningrad. The Germans bombed the Russians for 900 days during World War II, and the Federals bombed us for 587. And by 1865, it is a ruin. And that’s, for instance, why Sherman didn’t come here. In large part, we were not viewed as a viable target. He did not need to waste his time on us. As much as he wanted to raise Charleston, he did more harm to South Carolina and the Confederacy by burning the middle of the state. He cut a fire sixty miles wide through central South Carolina. And then we were occupied after the war for fourteen years. There was a 6,000-men Federal occupying force, martial law. And then when they pulled out, the place was essentially left for dead, and it took about 100 years to start to recover. Healthy cities in those 100 years embraced urban renewal. They were inclined to tear down their old stuff because it stood in the way of progress, and Charleston couldn’t participate. As a result, we’ve got about 100 buildings downtown from before 1776, and about 1,000 from before 1861. But I think, maybe more importantly than the architectural preservation, is the cultural preservation. People understand that the South is different, but they don’t always understand why. And I would say it’s because it was uninfluenced, undisturbed by the outside world. There was hardly any immigration here until relatively recently, and even accents are impacted. Southern accents tend to be much older because immigrants moved the tongue, and there was just not a lot of immigration here. And so, on all these fronts, we’re frozen in time: architecture, culture, accents. If we had been healthy, this would be anywhere USA. Everything would have been bulldozed. We talk about slavery a lot on my tour. You can’t talk about Charleston without talking about slavery. We were the number one slave-trading city for the United States. A third of the slaves that entered the U.S. entered through the port of Charleston, and that’s a shocking statistic, but it makes sense. Charleston was the largest city in the South until 1820. That’s when New Orleans overtook us, and the slave trade had already concluded as of 1808, as part of the U.S. Constitution. So this was the largest Southern harbor through legal importation in the South. With the superior farming conditions, the South had an appetite for that labor. The wealth here—and that’s important to understand—these are the wealthiest Americans. These are the most educated Americans. I liken it to what was happening really around the world. But the plantation culture that evolved here is, in my estimation, the repackaging of
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Speaker 3: Old World feudal culture.
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Speaker 2: They’re playing at being English, French, and German royals in a place where that’s possible. We have a year-round growing season. We have 50 to 55 inches of annual rainfall, and we have no rocks for 100 miles. We’re in an alluvial plain, where nothing but topsoil and sand. And so it’s some of the finest farming in the world, the Southeast Coastal Plain. And so they take that Old World lens. In England, you would have large estates. You’ve got royals in the big house, the peasants are in the field.
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Speaker 3: The peasants don’t
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Speaker 2: get to vote. They don’t own the land. They can be bound to the estate. And then the royals would have
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Speaker 3: a town in London or Paris or Vienna.
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Speaker 2: So the royals of the world would gather in the capitals after fall harvest.
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Speaker 3: In the capital, you make your political
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Speaker 2: relationships. And then you make your business deals. And then the social fruits are in the city, in the capital as well. So, literary season, debutante season, theatrical season—all that’s dead-of-winter stuff. So they come in with a mindset, and they apply it, and it works. They’re able to live like royals in the New World, and it is seductive, and that’s ultimately the issue. They’re not interested in new ideas. The North was an agent of change in the mid-Asian hunters, and these families were prideful, and they were not great negotiators, and they would rather fight than yield. They saw the Federal government as unconstitutional, five hundred miles away, controlled by people that lived even further away, and they were not about to lie down before it. And so they ended up fighting to the death. And by 1865, it’s over, total collapse. And so the wealth here, the prestige here, is absolutely built on forced labor. You can’t separate the two. But I do think it’s important to understand: Everybody now understands that slavery is immoral, it’s not negotiable. But 200 years ago, it was kind of fuzzy. People didn’t see it the way we see it. Just as an example, in 1840, only 2 percent of Northern people were abolitionists, just 2 percent critically opposed to slavery in the North in 1840. And at the same time, across the South, less than 10 percent of white families owned slaves. See that as probably the biggest misconception. People assume that the average white guy in the South was a slave owner, and it’s not close. Over 90 percent did not own slaves. If you look at the mountains of the South, the Appalachian counties were slave-free. Literally, county after county had zero slaves. Because you can’t own slaves in the mountains and make money, just like you can’t own slaves in New England and make money.
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Speaker 3: And so the
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Speaker 2: conditions here were ripe: high-volume, industrial-level farming with sort of a feudal, patriarchal lens. And it’s a pretty dagone good fit. And so it is logical where the number one slave-trading city for America. And there’s always gonna be
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Speaker 3: pushback on that.
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Speaker 2: You know, I noticed it, and I’ve probably noticed it more now than before because people are increasingly talking about these things. I think we swept it under the rug for a long time. I think people just maybe even tried to try to tend like it didn’t happen. I’ve never had that approach. I love talking about slavery, and I find that my guests, particularly if I have Black tourists, they want you talking about this stuff. They don’t want you shying away from it. Those are my favorite compliments when I have Black tourists. And afterward, I say, “Thank you so much for being frank, thank you so much for not mincing words.” It’s refreshing because you don’t learn if you don’t discuss it. So I think one of the great joys for giving tours in Charleston is outside people do not understand the significance of Charleston because it collapsed in 1865. This was the fourth largest city in the United States in 1790: Philadelphia, New York, Boston, and Charleston. South Carolina educated more children in Europe than the other twelve colonies put together. Nine of the ten wealthiest families in America were living in South Carolina for a period of time prior to 1776—all at once, nine out of ten. And so the role of Charleston is not well understood. The American Revolution, I think, offers insight. This is the bloodiest theater of the Revolution.
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Speaker 3: There were more
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Speaker 2: battles in South Carolina and more people were killed in South Carolina than any of the other twelve colonies.
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Speaker 3: And that’s just a huge surprise for guests.
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Speaker 2: We had four signers of the Declaration of Independence from Charleston, four signers of the Constitution from Charleston, and that’s not well understood. George Washington spent a week in Charleston in 1791, and he wrote that he had never been entertained more lavishly. He said the most elegant parties he had ever attended were in Charleston, and that the prettiest ladies he’d ever seen were in Charleston.
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Speaker 1: Listening to Tommy Due. And it’s not a walking tour, but you’re getting a great chronological tour, a great economic tour, and a great social tour of one of America’s great cities. When we come back, more with Tommy Due’s Walking Tour of Charleston, South Carolina. And we continue with our American Stories and with Tommy Due’s Walking Tour of Charleston, South Carolina, which has been praised and recommended by everyone from the Wall Street Journal and Tripadvisor. Let’s return to Tommy with more of the story of his hometown.
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Speaker 2: Another really big surprise for outsiders is the permissiveness of Charleston.
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Speaker 3: We have so many social firsts.
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Speaker 2: The first theater in America, first racetrack in America, first golf club in America; widespread gambling city, back lotteries. The oldest profession was legal from the beginning through World War II. Our navy base matriculated hundreds of thousands of soldiers post-World War II, and they were riddled with STDs. And so, because of medical concerns, they had to write laws against it for the first time. That’s in the 1940s. The French called us the Paris of the New World.
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Speaker 3: The British called us the Crown’s Jewel of America.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, New England, there, was called Charleston, Sodom and Gomorrah. They saw Charleston as centers, on a biblical level, Sodom and Gomorrah. And what surprises people, the confusion comes from the fact that they’re now inclined to call us the Bible Belt. But really, the North was the Bible Belt
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Speaker 3: for the first 150 years.
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Speaker 2: So the real question is what happens wide to the North and the South swap personalities, and it’s about immigration.
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Speaker 3: Once again.
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Speaker 2: We stopped getting people in the early 1800s when they started industrializing and building factories.
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Speaker 3: Immigrants go North.
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Speaker 2: They also invest in infrastructure, railroads, canals, and it’s a magnet for immigration, and the South is backwatered. So, basically, from the 1820s to the 1970s, there’s 150 years where the Southeast was not receiving people at the same rates as everybody else, and so the Southern families grow deep roots, and they tended to have a longer, more traditional view. And the North, which had been uptight, was overwhelmed by immigration 200 years ago, and suddenly found themselves to be multicultural, more liberal, and more progressive. And the South was increasingly homogeneous, conservative, and more realistic. It impacts everything: accents. We talked about that a little bit, but the Southeast coastal accent is Elizabethan English. So my accent, coming from Richmond, I’ve got a form of what is called the Tidewater accent. So, around the Chesapeake Bay, that accent was established by people from Southern England in the early 1600s.
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Speaker 3: It’s called a non-rhotic accent. It’s very soft.
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Speaker 2: You drawl. You hold your vowel, and you pull the ‘r’ out of the word. “I throw a ball.”
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Speaker 3: “I don’t throw a ball.”
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Speaker 2: I go to the “bathroom,” not the “bath-room.” My grandfather loved to go down into the river. “Tomatoes” and “patatas.” And that’s Elizabethan English, English. It’s linguistically closer to Elizabethan English and what is currently being spoken in England.
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Speaker 3: And I know that’s difficult to believe, but it is.
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Speaker 2: A linguistic fact. And if you go up into the mountains of the South, it becomes Scottish. The Scots are the next great migration, and they go up the rivers looking for available land, and the mountains catch them, and it suits them. There’s an old saying in the South: “The Glen and Glade of Appalachia settled by the Scot.” And so, instead
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Speaker 3: of drawling and holding your vowel, you lilt.
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Speaker 2: You get it up into the back of your mouth, more like, “di-et.” It’s a brogue. And so you have a Scottish brogue in the mountains of the South, and an English drawl on the coast, and they’re old because they were generally undisturbed. Another subtlety of the South and the lack of immigration is how we view ourselves. Southerners tend not to be “ethnic” people. We don’t care about where we’re from—came from overseas. We care about being Southern. So the joke is Southerners of Southern. Yanks are ethnic. Northern people are consistently more newly arrived people, and they tend to get excited, romanticize where their grandparents are born.
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Speaker 3: So Northern people tend to have these
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Speaker 2: little flavors attached to them: Irish-American, Italian-American, Puerto Rican-American, and Chinese-American. And Southerners tend not to see themselves that way.
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Speaker 3: We’ve been here long enough to be from here. You definitely notice it.
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Speaker 2: If you ask a Northerner where they’re from, it’s usually where they woke up this morning. And if you ask a Southerner where they’re from, it’s where the people are. People always say, “Are you from Charleston?” We’ll say, “No, I’m from Richmond.” “Well, you’ve lived here for 35 years. You’re from Charleston.” And I will say, “No, I am not. I am from Richmond. My people are from Virginia. I live here, but I’m from there.” And that’s a subtlety. It’s where your people are; that’s where you’re from. It’s not where you live. Right now, I get so many tourists who will say, “This is my favorite city! I love it so much! You’re so fortunate to live here. There’s a secret sauce. There is a feeling I get when I come to Charleston, and I can’t explain it.”
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Speaker 3: “What is that?”
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Speaker 2: And I would say, ultimately, it is the defense of the human scale. So in the late 1800s, engineering really improved. They invented the I-beam and the elevator, and the first skyscraper comes to fruition in Chicago, 1880.
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Speaker 3: This place was so screwed up. It was boarded up and bankrupt.
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Speaker 2: There was no money to justify a big building, and that would not come until after World War II. And by the time there was some desire to go big, it was too late because preservation laws and zoning laws were well crafted. Preservation says, if a building is 75, you’re not going to tear it down, and you can’t corrupt the facade. You can’t do anything to the exterior of an older building that’s going to compromise its accuracy. And so to put a skyscraper in downtown Charleston, you’d have to tear down a block of old things, and that directly violates preservation. And there is a four-story threshold through much of the city, and
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Speaker 3: that’s called the human scale.
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Speaker 2: Until the I-beam and the elevator were invented, cities around the world built to four stories and stopped because the great materials of human history are wood, brick, and stone. Wood, brick, and stone have the same load potentials. They get you to four stories efficiently, and then you got to stop. You can actually add a fifth story, but it would double the cost of construction. You had to make the foundation so massive to carry that fifth layer.
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Speaker 3: It just did not make sense. And so there’s always been an economic
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Speaker 2: efficiency of four stories or less around the world for thousands of years. And so cities around the world had very similar, very predictable densities.
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Speaker 3: If you maintain a four-
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Speaker 2: story threshold, your population will live, worship, work, go to school, socialize, shop within a one-to-three-mile radius. The bulk of your existence will be in one place. You’re not spread too thin, and as a citizen, you can pour yourself into that piece of turf. Big cities embraced the new technology, ripped out
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Speaker 3: the human scale and started going vertical.
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Speaker 2: They created jobs, but they also created commuters. So now large cities suffer from millions of anonymous workers, people who often travel more than an hour to get to work. The commute was awful; it was busy. They had to be aggressive to be competitive, and unfortunately, they’re anonymous, and civility inherently breaks down in that situation. In a place like Charleston, you don’t get to be anonymous. You see the same people day after day, and you know them in various ways. You cannot walk the streets of Charleston without seeing people that you know, and so you’ll have frequent and often deep engagements block to block, and that enhances civility. The reason that this has been voted the most mannered city in America is because the human scale provides accountability.
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Speaker 3: You do not get to be anonymous.
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Speaker 2: And so when you live in Charleston, you feel like you live in a village, yet we have the amenities and the cultural impact of a city that’s
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